Wolf Game 32 Game Thread

Bo Ngoc Huynh wrote:Well I have no fucking clue what's going on 

Bui Huu Khan wrote:This was my post that setup the bandwagon on the seer...

Bui Huu Khan wrote:

Ly Huu Son wrote:Bad night for sure. We lost an Angel and the bad guys didn't take each other out.

At this point I think targetting people who have only posted to vote and nothing else is the way to go.
Force them to get involved.

Posting the bleeding obvious...then trying to instigate a bandwagon.
Ly Huu Son

Thao Dinh Huy wrote:Right, do we have a list of some English translations of the names? Might contain some kind of clues... Even though they can be so wildly different based on how they're interpreted.

Trying way too hard to be helpful but leading us up a blind alley...quite obviously.

Thao Dinh Huy

Interestingly there were a few that chugged along the seer bandwagon but did not do the same for Thao Dinh Huy. Thao Din Huy was also very close to being lynched but somehow escaped that.
The first to push for Ly Huu Son (dead seer) and not Thao Dinh Huy was Don Trong Loc. Co Thao was next up with another dodgy vote.
Thao Dinh Huy was one of the frontrunners early on but that bandwagon ground to a halt for some reason.

In summary: Thao Dinh Huy is a wolf and look at those that pushed for Ly Huu Son and not Thao Dinh Huy early on...Don Trong Loc/Co Thao (at least one is a baddie). Later on votes moved on to Truong Thai and Tham Tung once Ly played the seer gambit. I would look at those that pushed those 2 over Thao Dinh Huy as well.

Spoiler:

Bui Huu Khan wrote:This was my post that setup the bandwagon on the seer...

Spoiler:

Interestingly there were a few that chugged along the seer bandwagon but did not do the same for Thao Dinh Huy. Thao Din Huy was also very close to being lynched but somehow escaped that.
The first to push for Ly Huu Son (dead seer) and not Thao Dinh Huy was Don Trong Loc. Co Thao was next up with another dodgy vote.
Thao Dinh Huy was one of the frontrunners early on but that bandwagon ground to a halt for some reason.

In summary: Thao Dinh Huy is a wolf and look at those that pushed for Ly Huu Son and not Thao Dinh Huy early on...Don Trong Loc/Co Thao (at least one is a baddie). Later on votes moved on to Truong Thai and Tham Tung once Ly played the seer gambit. I would look at those that pushed those 2 over Thao Dinh Huy as well.

To Manh Dat wrote:

Still can't quite believe that happened. Why? Just....why, why would someone do such a thing?!

Co Thao may have an horrendous avatar, but he makes a point - why would you single yourself out as "the guy who started the bandwagon on the seer", as it makes you look a) stupid, b) wolfy and c) did I mention stupid?

Ong Bao wrote:I think Bui vs. Co has all the making of villager-on-villager here. Wolves don't usually start bangwaggons (in my experience) they usually sit around and wait for easy votes to present themself, or save a vote to save a friend. Equally, they don't usually get involved in long arguments about their votes at the first questioning.

Back to my first point, the only thing that stops wolves voting together in the middle is not to make the same easy votes. But with three sets of bad guys, including both SK as a team, there is a strong chance that some for different teams made similar lazy votes in the middle of the round.

Admins can you publish the final votes please? Does anyone want to get the votes in order?! On my phone until about 7-8 as this forum isn't great at work

Bui Huu Khan wrote:

To Manh Dat wrote:

Still can't quite believe that happened. Why? Just....why, why would someone do such a thing?!

Co Thao may have an horrendous avatar, but he makes a point - why would you single yourself out as "the guy who started the bandwagon on the seer", as it makes you look a) stupid, b) wolfy and c) did I mention stupid?

I made a vote with a solid bit of reasoning.
Some people jumped on it and created a bandwagon for the seer. Yet the other person mentioned in my post, who was in the top 3 of the votes for much of the round (Thao Din Huy), somehow survived.
1.Whenever I've been a baddie, my main tactic was to assert the innocence of those that I knew were villagers. 2.So Co Thao vouching for the seer before him being revealed as a seer is a wolfy move in itself.
Anyone who had a doubt about the validity of the seer (the innocents) would not be so public about their opinion on the seer as a failed gambit would also incriminate themselves.

3.As you have mentioned, I have absolutely nothing to gain from mentioning the bandwagon. Except that it may actually help the village find some baddies.

Agger wrote:Hai Thao 8
Thao Dinh Huy 5
Ly Huu Son 5
Tham Tung 4
Ong Xuan Giang 4
Truong Toai 3
Dang Huu Thu 3
Chung Duc Tho 3
To Manh Dat 2
Thang Van Phuoc 2
Pho Duc Hieu 2
Khuu Sinh 2
Vong Qui Nguyen 1
Tuan Van Quan 1
Truong Toai         1
To Cong Dac Kien 1
Lai Chien 1
Kim Xuan Thinh 1
Hau Huu Due 1
Danh Manh Due 1
Dai Huu Lan 1
Bui Huu Khan 1
Au Qui Gia 1
0
Grand Total 54

Agger wrote:

Ly Huu Son wrote:Should I not have a dead chat invite?

Sorted

Ly Huu Son wrote:

Agger wrote:

Ly Huu Son wrote:Should I not have a dead chat invite?

Sorted

Thanks,

Am I meant to sign up to dead thread with an alternative address so no one knows who I am?

Co Thao wrote: Though the debate is fine and I'm happy to have it, we've seen in previous games that there is limited upside in analysing voting patterns - All you do is paint a target on your back. There are lots of people who have posted nothing in this thread other than waffle and votes, yet are completely under the radar.

Hue Cong Loc wrote:

Ong Bao wrote:I think Bui vs. Co has all the making of villager-on-villager here. Wolves don't usually start bangwaggons (in my experience) they usually sit around and wait for easy votes to present themself, or save a vote to save a friend. Equally, they don't usually get involved in long arguments about their votes at the first questioning.

Back to my first point, the only thing that stops wolves voting together in the middle is not to make the same easy votes. But with three sets of bad guys, including both SK as a team, there is a strong chance that some for different teams made similar lazy votes in the middle of the round.

Admins can you publish the final votes please? Does anyone want to get the votes in order?! On my phone until about 7-8 as this forum isn't great at work

Wolves didn't use to, but these days that is all they do.  As a previous wolf I put my head above the parapet and admitted to my errors.  Nobody would imagine a wolf would put themselves in the limelight like that so they didn't bother voting for me.

Double bluffs are as important tactic as dismissing or ignoring criticism for votes and hoping it dies down, now.

Ong Bao wrote:

Hue Cong Loc wrote:

Ong Bao wrote:I think Bui vs. Co has all the making of villager-on-villager here. Wolves don't usually start bangwaggons (in my experience) they usually sit around and wait for easy votes to present themself, or save a vote to save a friend. Equally, they don't usually get involved in long arguments about their votes at the first questioning.

Back to my first point, the only thing that stops wolves voting together in the middle is not to make the same easy votes. But with three sets of bad guys, including both SK as a team, there is a strong chance that some for different teams made similar lazy votes in the middle of the round.

Admins can you publish the final votes please? Does anyone want to get the votes in order?! On my phone until about 7-8 as this forum isn't great at work

Wolves didn't use to, but these days that is all they do.  As a previous wolf I put my head above the parapet and admitted to my errors.  Nobody would imagine a wolf would put themselves in the limelight like that so they didn't bother voting for me.

Double bluffs are as important tactic as dismissing or ignoring criticism for votes and hoping it dies down, now.

Fair enough, Mr Long Coc, guess that makes sense, but if we dismiss everything because "the wolves may have learned and started to do the opposite" then we end up with nothing.

Bui Huu Khan wrote:Until we have a wolf, it is impossible to look at voting patterns.

Bui Huu Khan wrote:I actually think now that you are a villager. Your reaction has definitely been of one.
However, I stand by my point that Thao Din Huy still seems very dodgy and his death (and possible guilt?) will probably give us something to go on, seeing that he was so close to being lynched.
He claims to have not been that far ahead with the voting which is an outright lie as based on this vote count.

Agger wrote:Hai Thao 8
Thao Dinh Huy 5
Ly Huu Son 5
Tham Tung 4
Ong Xuan Giang 4
Truong Toai 3
Dang Huu Thu 3
Chung Duc Tho 3
To Manh Dat 2
Thang Van Phuoc 2
Pho Duc Hieu 2
Khuu Sinh 2
Vong Qui Nguyen 1
Tuan Van Quan 1
Truong Toai         1
To Cong Dac Kien 1
Lai Chien 1
Kim Xuan Thinh 1
Hau Huu Due 1
Danh Manh Due 1
Dai Huu Lan 1
Bui Huu Khan 1
Au Qui Gia 1
0
Grand Total 54

It doesn't matter why you were picking up votes Thao Din Huy as there is always the possibility of a wolf being bandwagoned with flimsy reasoning. It's more the fact that you were somehow saved ahead of Tham Tung and Truong Toai. The reasons for voting them ahead of you were not that great either, as you would expect at this early stage of the game.

Spoiler:

Diep Lanh wrote:Something that has stuck out to me is Chung Duc Tho voters.

Round 1, the man receives a vote towards the end of page 2, and then at the top of page 3 receives 3 votes in a row, which puts him in tied 3rd spot for immunity/seering. One of his voters were the Angel that died.

The 4 that pushed him there were:

Minh Huu Dien (Villager killed by SK Night 1)
Kim Xuan Thinh (Angel killed by the US Night 1)
Dang Huu Thu - Plenty of posts, wolf avatar - a wolf hiding in plain sight? Surely not. We wouldn't fall for that would we?
Bui Huu Khan - The Seer wagoner who's made 5 of his 8 posts since the Day 2 update. Flailing?

Did the US kill off the Kim to throw us off this little run & got lucky with him being an Angel?

Then you have page 9 when I asked Admin for a count, and they put the following up.

Spoiler:

The next two votes were:

Dau Cong De - Voting Truong Toai & Tham Tung - his reasoning was 2t's = baddie

Au Qui Gia (has immunity) - Voting Ong Xuan Giang & Tham Tung - his reasoning being "Tenuous - but possibly trying to attract fellow bad guys by bumping admin message" and "Jumped on the voting wagon yesterday - as I said earlier I think that wolves would be more likely to do this - especially as there was a risk of seering if top"

These took Chung Duc Tho out the top 3 spots pretty quickly and pushed 4 clear of him. We now know both Truong Toai & Tham Tung who were pushed above him were Villagers.

I think a lot can be told on the others mentioned above if we find out what Chung Duc Tho really is. If he's a US as I suspect, it may lead to a couple more in the other 4 above. Especially if he turns out to be the US leader and if Day 1 was Seering, he'd show up clean.

Pho Duc Hieu wrote:That elder now has to go through the entire game dreading the end when his identity is revealed

Ong Xuan Giang wrote:

Diep Lanh wrote:Long old post pointing at Chung Duc Tho.

Interesting. You are reading a lot more into this than I could from what is essentially 1 days voting as the first day was not to kill. I will be very interested in who the wolves kill and who they voted for - is there any pattern to that

Diep Lanh wrote:

Ong Xuan Giang wrote:

Diep Lanh wrote:Long old post pointing at Chung Duc Tho.

Interesting. You are reading a lot more into this than I could from what is essentially 1 days voting as the first day was not to kill. I will be very interested in who the wolves kill and who they voted for - is there any pattern to that

I am, but this game is harder for the Villagers already.

We have an Angel and Seer down. If another Seer exists, he can't see one of the sides. Our Vigilante is punished with his own life if he makes 1 wrong move. Identities are hidden, people are more cautious of speaking up and either revealing who they really are or posting something that may get them killed.

All these stack up to the US/VC/SK's advantage so the sooner we get a tell the better. We are losing 4 a night at the hands of these 3 groups and only get to kill 3 in return unless our Elder multi's more specials.

Clues are always there, and the whole Chung Duc Tho thing could be nothing but I think it's worth a punt as 2 things point to him. 1 to gain seering/immunity and the 2nd to take him out of the firing line.

What is more frustrating is that if we post and give our real identity away by our style, our poor spelling or our love for a good breakfast, the US & VC are banned from mentioning this in their chats just like we are in the thread as I've asked. Someone got penalised for voting based on it being Anvartas. Similar penalties will be applied to them if they then say lets kill xxxxx because it's so and so and he's a cunt.

Your real identity doesn't suddenly reveal your actual role in this game so people shouldn't be scared to post whatever they like.

The fact that it's not happening only helps the US/VC & SK as it keeps the thread quiet and the discussion minimal.

Ong Xuan Giang wrote:Hopefully the night moves are in (they got the hurry up 2 hours ago) and we aren't making ourselves targets for this round